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		<title>By: More on asymmetry and the web</title>
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		<dc:creator>More on asymmetry and the web</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Jul 2010 17:28:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] I&#8217;ve written a couple other times about the asymmetrical nature of the web, but what I find interesting about this is that it show a possible direction for the relationship between traditional, physical organizations and the more abstract digital ones. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] I&#8217;ve written a couple other times about the asymmetrical nature of the web, but what I find interesting about this is that it show a possible direction for the relationship between traditional, physical organizations and the more abstract digital ones. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Natalie</title>
		<link>http://thisisviolence.net/2009/11/11/proto-idea-asymmetrical-brand-landscape/comment-page-1/#comment-208</link>
		<dc:creator>Natalie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Dec 2009 22:38:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Justin:

Sorry to take so long to respond. To me, &#039;level playing field&#039; has never equalled fairness in my mind, although that could be inferred from what I do feel the term denotes: equal access to resources. Which is interesting when flipped to fit your model of distributing resources rather than accessing them. The term &#039;symmetry&#039; grates on me in this context; but it&#039;s perfectly understandable if my term does the same to you.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Justin:</p>
<p>Sorry to take so long to respond. To me, &#8216;level playing field&#8217; has never equalled fairness in my mind, although that could be inferred from what I do feel the term denotes: equal access to resources. Which is interesting when flipped to fit your model of distributing resources rather than accessing them. The term &#8216;symmetry&#8217; grates on me in this context; but it&#8217;s perfectly understandable if my term does the same to you.</p>
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		<dc:creator>Tweets that mention Proto-idea: Asymmetrical Brand Landscape -- Topsy.com</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Nov 2009 21:44:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<dc:creator>uberVU - social comments</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Nov 2009 21:26:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;Social comments and analytics for this post...&lt;/strong&gt;

This post was mentioned on Twitter by aDogNamedPants: I wrote this: http://bit.ly/3hGyPf. I also proofed, so sorry about that....</description>
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<p>This post was mentioned on Twitter by aDogNamedPants: I wrote this: <a href="http://bit.ly/3hGyPf" rel="nofollow">http://bit.ly/3hGyPf</a>. I also proofed, so sorry about that&#8230;.</p>
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		<title>By: Justin Spohn</title>
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		<dc:creator>Justin Spohn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Nov 2009 21:20:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey Natalie - thanks for the feedback. You make an interesting point, and like I said, this is still and idea I don&#039;t feel like I have fully resolved even in my own head. 

Any way - let me ask you this: does the phrase &quot;level playing field&quot; connote fairness? The reason I ask is that when I chose &#039;symmetry&#039; it was because I feel that most businesses are operate in the same place socially. What I mean is, they try to make money by effectively distributing scarce goods. So while the market place may not be fair, or level, traditional businesses are symmetrical in organization and relationship to their customers.

That said, I could also be splitting hairs, or just plain wrong. Thoughts?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey Natalie &#8211; thanks for the feedback. You make an interesting point, and like I said, this is still and idea I don&#8217;t feel like I have fully resolved even in my own head. </p>
<p>Any way &#8211; let me ask you this: does the phrase &#8220;level playing field&#8221; connote fairness? The reason I ask is that when I chose &#8216;symmetry&#8217; it was because I feel that most businesses are operate in the same place socially. What I mean is, they try to make money by effectively distributing scarce goods. So while the market place may not be fair, or level, traditional businesses are symmetrical in organization and relationship to their customers.</p>
<p>That said, I could also be splitting hairs, or just plain wrong. Thoughts?</p>
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		<title>By: Justin Spohn</title>
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		<dc:creator>Justin Spohn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Nov 2009 21:10:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jeremy - agreed, this is what makes these things so fascinating to me: At anytime, a handful of people can come through, disrupt everything, force everyone to respond, and, as you point out, change the economy, all without so much as a business plan. I can&#039;t think of another time in history when this sort of power was in the hands of so many. I love it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jeremy &#8211; agreed, this is what makes these things so fascinating to me: At anytime, a handful of people can come through, disrupt everything, force everyone to respond, and, as you point out, change the economy, all without so much as a business plan. I can&#8217;t think of another time in history when this sort of power was in the hands of so many. I love it.</p>
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		<title>By: Natalie</title>
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		<dc:creator>Natalie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Nov 2009 21:05:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi: I came to this page through a tweet by Cory Huff above. Very interesting post, but I was a bit thrown by the word &#039;symmetry&#039;. I&#039;d call it a level playing field, makes the concept more accessible to people used to hearing that term in relation to the market.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi: I came to this page through a tweet by Cory Huff above. Very interesting post, but I was a bit thrown by the word &#8216;symmetry&#8217;. I&#8217;d call it a level playing field, makes the concept more accessible to people used to hearing that term in relation to the market.</p>
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		<title>By: Justin Spohn</title>
		<link>http://thisisviolence.net/2009/11/11/proto-idea-asymmetrical-brand-landscape/comment-page-1/#comment-158</link>
		<dc:creator>Justin Spohn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Nov 2009 21:02:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Good points Cory. The irony for me is that I think the &#039;industry&#039; is largely responsible for maintaining the status quo on this. I find very few people within agencies willing to ask &quot;what is the actual value of this client online?&quot; which I think is critical to competing effectively. 

While clearly I think the asymmetry of this competition represents a new challenge for established brands, I also feel these organizations still can have a lot offer. A hurdle for them though will be understanding, or often re-understanding, what they stand for in society. For example - is Nike about shoes, or sports? Shoes is transactional, but if they&#039;re about sports, well then what does that mean in the online space. In the case of Nike, it may mean more things like Nike+, which I think is a great example of a brand knowing what they&#039;re about, and how to create a manifestation of that online.

To your point though, I totally agree. Until agencies understand the web in a more profound way, I don&#039;t see how they can relay that information to their clients. Thus far, they seem unwilling to do so.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good points Cory. The irony for me is that I think the &#8216;industry&#8217; is largely responsible for maintaining the status quo on this. I find very few people within agencies willing to ask &#8220;what is the actual value of this client online?&#8221; which I think is critical to competing effectively. </p>
<p>While clearly I think the asymmetry of this competition represents a new challenge for established brands, I also feel these organizations still can have a lot offer. A hurdle for them though will be understanding, or often re-understanding, what they stand for in society. For example &#8211; is Nike about shoes, or sports? Shoes is transactional, but if they&#8217;re about sports, well then what does that mean in the online space. In the case of Nike, it may mean more things like Nike+, which I think is a great example of a brand knowing what they&#8217;re about, and how to create a manifestation of that online.</p>
<p>To your point though, I totally agree. Until agencies understand the web in a more profound way, I don&#8217;t see how they can relay that information to their clients. Thus far, they seem unwilling to do so.</p>
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		<title>By: Jeremy Pair</title>
		<link>http://thisisviolence.net/2009/11/11/proto-idea-asymmetrical-brand-landscape/comment-page-1/#comment-157</link>
		<dc:creator>Jeremy Pair</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Nov 2009 20:49:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;d say while Twitter is not itself profitable, it has/does stimulate economic growth.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;d say while Twitter is not itself profitable, it has/does stimulate economic growth.</p>
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		<title>By: cory huff</title>
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		<dc:creator>cory huff</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Nov 2009 20:37:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Knowledge based companies that rely on controlling the flow of information (read: Fox News) will suffer from this asymmetrical [business] warfare. 

I&#039;m thinking about what you&#039;re writing here, Justin, and wondering where to go with it. This is the kind of stuff that &#039;thought leaders&#039; in the industry have been talking about for months, if not years, and it seems to sink in so slowly with people outside of the industry. 

I suppose that it is necessary to keep talking about listening, connecting, and engaging so that it keeps getting hammered home, until it becomes conventional wisdom. Talking about openness and the free trade of ideas until people stop acting out of fear is necessary.

The question this sparks for me is how do we drive it home for people instead of talking about it amongst ourselves? Are the social gatherings and blogs of the New Media Elite the place to continue having these discussions, or do we storm the proverbial gates of the Establishment?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Knowledge based companies that rely on controlling the flow of information (read: Fox News) will suffer from this asymmetrical [business] warfare. </p>
<p>I&#8217;m thinking about what you&#8217;re writing here, Justin, and wondering where to go with it. This is the kind of stuff that &#8216;thought leaders&#8217; in the industry have been talking about for months, if not years, and it seems to sink in so slowly with people outside of the industry. </p>
<p>I suppose that it is necessary to keep talking about listening, connecting, and engaging so that it keeps getting hammered home, until it becomes conventional wisdom. Talking about openness and the free trade of ideas until people stop acting out of fear is necessary.</p>
<p>The question this sparks for me is how do we drive it home for people instead of talking about it amongst ourselves? Are the social gatherings and blogs of the New Media Elite the place to continue having these discussions, or do we storm the proverbial gates of the Establishment?</p>
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